Fox newcomers, "The Grinder" and "Grandfathered," have both been handed full-season orders by the network within the last day and a half.

Which leads to  question: If shows with this low a viewership (barely 3 million, not counting time-delayed) can get a full ride, what does it take to get cancelled these days?

 To be sure, this has not been a fall season to remember. Many shows are playing a how-low-can-you-go game of limbo...Yet still they remain, and are even get full-seaon orders.

 Why? Because networks believe that value now emerges over time, when those so-called “time-delayed” numbers  kick in over days or even weeks.

 Because Fox clearly sees upside with its new comedies, deciding both shows just might improve when they emerge from the weeds of the cluttered and busy fall season.

Maybe..or the other possibility is that the network just doesn't' have anything else to put in the time periods.

Meanwhile, here's the new season scorecard, five weeks in, with full season predictions of who will stay and who will go.

Fox:

Flat-out winners:

-- "Rosewood:" A full season is on the way...

Flat-out fence sitters:

--"Grandfathered" ...got a full season but not sure why...(See above).

--"The Grinder:"...no Rob Lowe magic here, but still earns a full ride. (Both are in the fencesitter column because while they may have a full season, there's no guarantee they will stay on the schedule through the season either).

 -- "Scream Queens:" The show hasn't done all that well in key metrics, but it should go the full season. A second season seems inconceivable at this point.

Flat-out-goners:

 -- "Minority Report:" The viewers here are the actual minority, under two million.

ABC:

Flat-out winners:

-- "Quantico," though not as "flatout" as you may have been led to believe; "Q" does particularly well with playback, which assured its full-season pick-up ealier this month

. -- "The Muppets:" Gonna go with winner, even though ABC has yet to commit, and viewers have yet to commit too. But the numbers are stabilizing -- around a 1.4 for young adults -- and no one expected this to carve out huge numbers against "NCIS" (or the World Series). But I'm liking its chances.

Flat-out fence sitters:

-- "Dr. Ken:" That's right, haters! The "Ken" is a fencesitter! But (again) the term is only loosely applied. As a fencesitter, sort of like Humpty-dumpty, this could easily be a loser too. But I do expect a full season order.

Flat-out losers:

-- "Blood & Oil:" No pulse, no blood, no oil either.

-- "Wicked City:" Mostly terrible reviews, and a World Series helped sink this out of the gate.

CBS:

Flat-out winners:

-- "Life in Pieces:" Already full season, but it got a good tailwind from "The Big Bang Theory." Would this show do well without time period support?

--"Limitless:" Also full-season, and also good tailwind (from "NCIS: NO"). Plus: Wins the time period in total viewers (around 8 million). A full season was ordered just a couple of days ago.

--"Supergirl:" As CBS reminded you, this had the highest launch of any new series this fall. Plus a 3.1 young adult rating, which is almost unheard of for a CBS primetime series. I expect a full season order announcement by next Tuesday, at the latest. Consider: Greg Berlanti, the producer here, also has the other top performer of '15, "Blindspot." He has just the exclusive Shonda Rhimes Club -- exclusive and lonely. She's been the only member.

Flat-out fencesitter:

--"Code Black:" I had this as a success last week, and it sort of is. But only if it aired on Fox, but for CBS, the numbers may be too modest. Still, it wins its time period (Wednesdays at 10) in total viewers (about 7 million) which should make the difference. I expect a full season order here.

Flat-out loser: None

NBC:

Flat-out winners:

-- "Blindspot:" In some ways, this is the biggest winner of the entire network fall slate so far (we'll see where "Supergirl" goes...) Averaging around a 2.5 rating for adults 18-49 makes it a stratospheric performer, while the time-delayed viewership figures add considerable lift to even that. Already full-season.

Flat-out fence sitters:

--"Heroes Reborn:" A true fencesitter, which registered just a 1.1 rating in young adults last week; but consider -- former highflier, "The Blacklist," isn't doing a whole lot better in its Thursday 9 p.m. slot ("Scandal" easily wins that time period). I'm not expecting this one back.

Flat-out losers:

-- "The Player:" Gone by January, if not sooner, and almost certainly for good, to be replaced by Jennifer Lopez's new cop drama, "Shades of Blue."

-- "Truth Be Told:" Truth be told, a complete bust.

The CW:

 Flat--out fencesitter:

-- "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend:" CW has a habit of sitting with its sitters,even if the numbers are OK (or medicore). These numbers are teensy, which is a level below mediocre. Nevertheless, network probably likes the show (which has a tough Monday time slot) and that counts for a lot, maybe everything. Nevertheless, I wouldn't count on a full season for "Crazy."